Endlessly true. And solvable. But not admitting what the counselor needs to address nor the skills they will need being either absent or unevaluated for effect doesn't help The problem of mistrust among those we should be helping.
trying to meet the demand for water with hot sauce is similarly problematic. We define the problem incorrectly, and bemoan the inefficacy of our non-solutions.
Can’t argue with that. I’m heading off on vacation in a bit and no one wants to read about suicide before a Holiday but I’ll amplify this early next week, for sure.
Great research, writing and reconsidering here, Owen, as always! Can those be the new “3 Rs”? That being said, and in reference to your data herein, how many completed suicides does the average American survive in their life? With all this data about number of “known associates”, considerations of the act, etc, does the average American survive from cradle to grave only knowing one poor soul to die by suicide, two such folk, more?
So these numbers are actually pretty hard to suss out. Especially given the numbers are increasing. I spent a lot of time on this question, in the process of writing this, and other articles, and I don't have a great answer. I think it's because we don't actually have a good answer it on this right now. My concern is that given the numbers of increasing deaths by suicide, overdose, shooting, and the lack of meaningful response to those things by authorities, younger and younger people are getting exposed to more and more grief, at the same time we are losing our ability to grieve. We are more disconnected, less bound by ritual, less supported by ritual, and I think this creates a systemic vulnerability. The lack of trust that is pervasive further in flames a difficult and vulnerable situation, and the lack of experience meaning or help from things that are theoretically helpful creates further distrust among those were the most vulnerable.
Completely agree on all of your points, that being said, I’m in my mid-40s, and I am cognizant of 3 professional colleagues having died by suicide in the 25 years I’ve been working. One was a mentor of mine, one an ex-colleague and the most recent, a close report. I hope I am the anomaly here and that others don’t have similar experiences
This is also my way of saying you should share this article with everybody in your life, because getting the word out on the fact that the word needs to get out is the first step to anyone doing anything, and so it's been a long time writing this so it would be more tolerable and shocking at the end.
I don't think you're an anomaly. I think children are gonna be exposed to more. I think given the fact that prior attempts are the most significant risk factor for subsequent attempts, not only are we seeing more death now, we're going to see more death coming. That's what the number suggest to me. So unless we get very serious about actually addressing the world being shitty and actually addressing are treatments not really working, we're gonna have a cluster nightmare horror situation on our hands, and that's not something I'm looking forward to.
It is very difficult to get counseling in a timely basis. There just aren't enough resources to meet the demand
Endlessly true. And solvable. But not admitting what the counselor needs to address nor the skills they will need being either absent or unevaluated for effect doesn't help The problem of mistrust among those we should be helping.
trying to meet the demand for water with hot sauce is similarly problematic. We define the problem incorrectly, and bemoan the inefficacy of our non-solutions.
I deserved that. Thank you sir, may I have another
Good egg, that Matt!
Can’t argue with that. I’m heading off on vacation in a bit and no one wants to read about suicide before a Holiday but I’ll amplify this early next week, for sure.
There are plenty of suicides I haven't wanted to hear about either. I haven't had the choice. None of us will. Sorry to be Grim ;)
Great research, writing and reconsidering here, Owen, as always! Can those be the new “3 Rs”? That being said, and in reference to your data herein, how many completed suicides does the average American survive in their life? With all this data about number of “known associates”, considerations of the act, etc, does the average American survive from cradle to grave only knowing one poor soul to die by suicide, two such folk, more?
So these numbers are actually pretty hard to suss out. Especially given the numbers are increasing. I spent a lot of time on this question, in the process of writing this, and other articles, and I don't have a great answer. I think it's because we don't actually have a good answer it on this right now. My concern is that given the numbers of increasing deaths by suicide, overdose, shooting, and the lack of meaningful response to those things by authorities, younger and younger people are getting exposed to more and more grief, at the same time we are losing our ability to grieve. We are more disconnected, less bound by ritual, less supported by ritual, and I think this creates a systemic vulnerability. The lack of trust that is pervasive further in flames a difficult and vulnerable situation, and the lack of experience meaning or help from things that are theoretically helpful creates further distrust among those were the most vulnerable.
Completely agree on all of your points, that being said, I’m in my mid-40s, and I am cognizant of 3 professional colleagues having died by suicide in the 25 years I’ve been working. One was a mentor of mine, one an ex-colleague and the most recent, a close report. I hope I am the anomaly here and that others don’t have similar experiences
This is also my way of saying you should share this article with everybody in your life, because getting the word out on the fact that the word needs to get out is the first step to anyone doing anything, and so it's been a long time writing this so it would be more tolerable and shocking at the end.
I don't think you're an anomaly. I think children are gonna be exposed to more. I think given the fact that prior attempts are the most significant risk factor for subsequent attempts, not only are we seeing more death now, we're going to see more death coming. That's what the number suggest to me. So unless we get very serious about actually addressing the world being shitty and actually addressing are treatments not really working, we're gonna have a cluster nightmare horror situation on our hands, and that's not something I'm looking forward to.